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3 55 Khitan-Liao

email.hidden@example.com (Anonymous) — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:36:47 +0000

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<please contribute>Khitan Liao 907AD-1125AD; Book 3, List 55, pg 53
Cold. Aggression 2
Terrain = WW Rv, H(G), H(S), RGo, BUA
Interesting and colorful army that is really fun to play, with several tricks to it. Relatively easy to control due to the regular generals. It isn't a slam-dunk killer army, but one that can be tiger if played

Glossary

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:10:37 +0000

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OTA - One True Army. A nickname for Burgundian Ordonnance.
Pin & punch - A style of play where you aim to hold the enemy in place with light troops while maneuvering a hard hitting force to just the right place. It was far easier to do in version 3.0 than in 3.1
Pip Dump - A regular command that is designed to take the lowest PIP dice most bounds, hence boosting the average PIPs for the other regular commands in the army. It is often a micro command of 1-7 elements in a 4 command army or a mainly LH command or a HI command under the CnC in a 3 command army.
Quick-Kill - the ability of some troop types to destroy other troop-types by simply rolling higher higher than them in combat (instead of having to double them).
RSP - Reigate Standard Patsy, a term used to define the Patrican Roman armies popular in the Reigate club in the days of DBM 2.1. Continued in popularity under DBM 3.0 but rarely seen in DBM 3.1.

4 43 Later Hungarian

email.hidden@example.com (Greg Mann) — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:50:59 +0000

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Generals: 4
Army Elts: 52 EEs: 48.5 Defeat Lvl: 24.5
Crusade of Nicopolis 1396 AD
Although this may not look like a viable option for this list there is a reasonable army there and it can be fun to use. The list I have used at several competitions is:
Type Trng No. Description Pts
King Sigismund of Luxumbourg
Kn(O) Irr G 1 C-in-C 20.0
Kn(O) Irr 2 Hungarian Nobles 20.0
Kn(O) Irr 2 Crusading knights 20.0
LH(S) Reg 2 Tartars 14.0
LH(F) Irr 3 Hungarians, Cumans, Jazyges 12.0
Bw(I) Irr 8 Hungarian Archers 24.0
Ps(O) Irr 1 Hungarian Archers 2.0
Cmd Elts: 19 EEs: 18.5 Dem.Lvl: 6.5 Subtotal: 112.0
Count of Szekely
LH(S) Irr G 1 Szekeler Sub General 17.0
Kn(S) Reg 1 Hospitillers and seargents 15.0
Kn(I) Reg 2 German or Bohemian armigeri 20.0
Kn(I) Reg 2 Rear rank for armigeri (DBE) 16.0
LH(S) Irr 4 Szekelers 28.0
LH(F) Irr 5 Hungarians, Cumans, Jazyges 20.0
Ps(O) Irr 7 Hungarian Archers 14.0
Cmd Elts: 22 EEs: 18.5 Dem.Lvl: 6.5 Subtotal: 130.0
Jo

Glossary

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:22:53 +0000

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Glossary

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:22:26 +0000

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A listing of terms often used to describe DBM armies and/or seen in discussions on the dbmlist.

EAP - Early Achemenid Persian

EIR - Early Imperial Roman

KMDT - Khazar mounted drill team, expanding a column into line having wheeled the head of the column to face in the desired direction at the end of the move immediately before the expansion. Using march moves if you advance a column and wheel the head 90 degrees you can then as your second move deploy into line facing in the direction of the head of the column.

LAP - Later Achemenid Persian

LIR - Late Imperial Roman

LPIA - Later Pre-Islamic Arab

NMDT - Norman mounted drill team, advancing a column of spontaneous troops past the end of an enemy line then letting them go and allowing the impetuous moves to bring them in the direction you want.

NKE - New Kingdom Egyptian

OTA - One True Army. A nickname for Burgundian Ordonna

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4 79 Later Swiss

email.hidden@example.com (rob brennan) — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:04:21 +0000

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1. 400AP by James Hamilton

CinC Pk(S), 17 Pk(S), 3 Bd(X), Ps(O) 21.5 EE

Sub Pk(S), 19 Pk(S), 1 Bd(X), 4 Ps(O) 23 EE

Sub Ps(S), 2 LH(I), 8 Pk(S), 4 Bd(X), 5 Ps(S), 6 Ps(O).

Essentially you aim your army at a part of the enemy army that can't run

away and charge. Don't be afraid to sacrifice the odd element of Bd or

even the odd Pk just to slow the inevitable collapse of your flanks but

Pk(S) are so hard they will pretty much crush anything in their path.

Book 4 Armies

email.hidden@example.com (rob brennan) — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:03:40 +0000

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477Black Sheep and White Sheep Turkoman 1378AD - 1469AD and 1387AD - 1504AD
478Yi Dynasty Korean
479Later4 79 Later Swiss
480Hussite
481Inca 1438AD - 1534AD

2 49 Marian Roman

email.hidden@example.com (Tero Särkijärvi) — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:22:13 +0000

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2 49 Marian Roman

email.hidden@example.com (Tero Särkijärvi) — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:21:45 +0000

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2 49 Marian Roman

email.hidden@example.com (Tero Särkijärvi) — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:21:10 +0000

Tero Särkijärvi edited 2 49 Marian Roman

6) Have the Ax in two commands. You can still combine them to dominate the key terrain feature, but it also allows you to more easily contest multiple pieces.
7) Don't bother with the Bw as they will slow the legionaries down.
Tero Särkijärvi:
This is the list we used with Greg at the new years doubles in Helsinki. I'm not totally convinced that the Cv (point 5, above) are very useful since they cost a lot of AP. Note that the list is 500 AP.
1 x Cv(O) C-in-C
10 x Bd(O)
4 x Ax(S)
2 x Art(O)
3 x LH(O)
3 x Ps(O)
1 x Bd(O) Sub
8 x Bd(O)
6 x Cv(O)
2 x Art(O)
2 x LH(O)
5 x Ps(O)
1 x Cv(O) Sub
1 x El(I)
6 x Ax(S)
1 x Ps(O)
1 x LH(F)
5 x TF @2AP
1 x TF @1AP
1 x Kn(X) Armenian Ally
4 x Kn(X)
4 x LH(F)
9 x Ax(O)
1 x Ps(O)

2 69 Sassanid Persian

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:08:51 +0000

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case, it can be adjusted quickly playing with Ps and Hd. Anyway, the
list was:
El, 5 6 Kn, 3 LH and some hd. 15,5
2 command) Cv(S) sub, 8 Cv(S), 7 Ps(O) and some hd (biggest command)
17

2 69 Sassanid Persian

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:59:28 +0000

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In the later period, the Kn(X) are replaced by Cv(O)/(S). This is a good ally if you want more rough ground troops. The Kn(X) general also gives the knights a bit more punch than those in the Sassanid list. A big Armenian ally can really increase the size of a Sassanid army (though with the risk of being unreliable).
There are a few other allies and options in the Sassanid list which I will leave you discover for yourself once you have mastered the basics. The one with regular generals works out too expensive, but the additional Daylami Ax(S) option is worth considering. If you want a real challenge, there's an option to have up to 18 elements of impetuous Hd(S), which I've never had the courage (or figures) to try!
DBM3.1, 400AP 2/3rd place in an Italian Comp 2007
By Paolo Paglianti (from the yahoo dbmlist)
My list contained a small error, I noted it during first game. In any
case, it can be adjusted quickly playing with Ps and Hd. Anyway, the
list was:
1 command) Cv(S) CinC, 5 El,

Book 2 Armies

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:55:50 +0000

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2 67 Early Ostrogoth, Herul, Sciri or Taifali 200AD-493AD
268Pictish
269Sassanid2 69 Sassanid Persian
270Burgundi or Limigantes 250AD - 534AD
271Gepid 250AD - 566AD

2 69 Sassanid Persian

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:56:54 +0000

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0-8 Irr. Ps(O)
8-12 Irr. Hd(O)
any rough ground bad (rough or difficult) going on the battlefield, although you obviously are not going to win your game there.
One point to note is that the rules you are using may influence your choice of cavalry; the support rules for Cv(S) and Cv(O) seem to change with every new version of DBM, and it is important to figure out how best to deploy your cavalry, since they are such a large part of the army.
What about attack troops? Well, cavalry are pretty good, but sometimes you want something a bit heavier. The Sassanid Persian list offers:
0-6 Upgrade Cv to Kn(X) (which reduces the number of Cv you need, if you think 22 is too many)
0-6 El(O)
- you'll you'll do better with a Knight-based army or an elephant-based army instead. The Kn(X) are a good choice if you're worried about enemy archers, warbands or blades; the elephants are great against enemy k

Armies to be Avoided

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:51:37 +0000

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Impetuous troops get no benefit from halting with their general
Irr ally generals may change sides resulting in a very quick game
of alled allied general within DBM.For exampleif you have ally generals of the same nation then they will not change sides. Some lists have comments in the text that allow allies to be fielded without "otherwise compulsary troops" etc.As a general rule though if you have an ally expect it to be unreliable, plan for that eventuality and if the ally decides that it will fight you will be on a plus.
Extremely Homogeneous Lists:
DBM is a game of matchups (like scissors/paper/stone), if you only come to the table with one troop type then better players will optimise their matchups against part of your army (a part of their choosing because all parts of your army are the same) and destroy it. Combined arms armies,or at least sub-sets of true combined arms armies with a few troop types that compliment/support each other well, dominate in DBM be

2 7 Later Achaemenid Persian

email.hidden@example.com (rob) — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:48:31 +0000

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c2: 1 x Reg Cv(S) SG, 2x Irr Cv(O), 2x Reg Kn(F), 3x Irr Cv(S), 6 x Irr Cv(I), 2x Irr LH(F), 5x Irr Hd(O) - 18.5EE
c3: 1 x Reg Sp(O) SG, 2 x Reg Sp(S), 6x Irr Cv(I), 5x Reg Sp(O), 6x Irr Ps(O), 3 x Irr Hd(O) - 18.5EE
Irr LH(F), Hd(O), 1 x Irr El(O) - 3.5EE
Notes
This list is based on 4 regular generals ("the crack cocaine of DBM, once you've started it's hard to stop" - someone on the dbmlist years ago) and a few toughish troops plus a lot ofrubbish. Basically you tried to use your mobility to make the game very complex for your opponent and then concentrate the limited strike troops in one point. Under 3.0 this was more viable as skirmishing was so effective you could afford to try and win the game on a very narrow frontage whilst skirmishing everywhere else. Despite the high finish of this list in Scotland, I went to Britcon with a similar list and basically got eaten alive by the higher standard of play. However I did learn some things about the army along the w

2 78 Late Imperial Roman

email.hidden@example.com (L.A.PARSONS) — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:09:55 +0000

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2 19 Seleucid

email.hidden@example.com (anthony) — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:05:46 +0000

anthony edited 2 19 Seleucid

Command 1 has the elephant wil be ok to take on anything that the KnX cant and the AxS move with the elephant to protect one side of the phalanx.
Command 2 is the phalanx-lite which needs to aim at heavy foot and not stop.
they shoudl should be nuzzled either side fo the pike general's file with a file of Pike O outside fo of these. The idea is that when you hit blade, pike or spear the general is likely to pushback push them back, followign up and giving both warband an overlap. overlap in their quick kill.
Command 3 is lots of fun to play as it has five expendables (3 scythed chariots, a superior elephant and a Knight General ( ie the

2 19 Seleucid

email.hidden@example.com (anthony) — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:01:06 +0000

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<please contribute>
This army is known for having an attractive array of troop types but just not the mixes that are effective on the tabletop. It also has Agg 2 which is always a warning sign.
<Anthony Winter>
This is a great army for gimmikery and for those who want a lot of variety. Below is a list which I've enjoyed playing in 3.1.
Command 1 has the elephant wil be ok to take on anything that the KnX cant and the AxS move with the elephant to protect one side of the phalanx.
Command 2 is the phalanx-lite which needs to aim at heavy foot and not stop.
If using the galatians they shoudl be nuzzled either side fo the pike general's file with a file of Pike O outside fo these. The idea is that when you hit blade, pike or spear the general is likely to pushback giving both warband an overlap.
Command 3 is lots of fun to play as the general and elS are expendable. Not sure if the elephant should be in here. Sometimes just another KnF companion goe